Travel Support Thursday

Welcome back to another Travel Thursday.

It's Travel Support Thursday.

Travel Support Thursday.

It keeps getting better and better.

Welcome back to Travel Support Thursday

where we answer your questions about travel

every single Thursday.

Everyone, every single one.

Thanks to everyone for leaving so many questions

in our last week's episode.

And from weeks before, we wanna make sure

that we address as many as we possibly can.

It's hard for us to address every single question

that we get, but certainly feel free to leave

your burning travel questions in the comments below.

And we'll try to get to them every single Thursday.

But it makes me really happy how many good questions

that we get every single week.

That makes me so excited.

I love seeing all these great questions.

We've got so many good ones and they kinda like cover

all the different topics, which is exactly

what this shows for.

It's just like ask whatever's on your mind,

even if it's like about us or it's about award traveler.

It's about just how to think about things

while you're traveling or just general life questions.

Or like if you ever wanna talk about video games,

I know a lot about that, whatever you're into.

Whatever you're into, we support here.

But mostly this is about trying to help you

travel the world.

So as long as we're doing that,

in some way, shape, or form, we're succeeding.

And I think one of my favorite things about this podcast

and this community is even if we don't have the answers,

which a lot of times we may not, all of you do.

And it brings up really honest and good conversation

about travel adjacent things.

Right.

Okay, so on this travel Thursday,

we've got some really good questions

that I am reading off of this phone here.

Sorry, look at Lisa's cool case though, huh?

Isn't it so cute?

Wow, look at this thing.

12 mini iPhone, really, really hard to buy iPhone case for.

The last iPhone 12 mini and maybe also the first.

They sold like 12 of these.

Okay, anyway, we are off topic already.

Whew, oh boy, oh boy.

All right, so we got some really good questions today.

Some stuff I'm really excited to talk about.

So first of all, we're gonna talk about that thing

that we said we were going to do

when we hit $1,000 in revenue like forever ago.

Oh.

That promise that we made.

And we're also gonna talk about like internet

while you're on the road.

And I know that this is a topic that we've covered.

I'm sure if you've listened to all these,

probably like half of our episodes, we cover this.

But this one's a little different

because this is specifically for people

that are looking for wifi.

And especially if you have to work while traveling.

Oh, I've got so many thoughts about this.

This is a topic that I could talk about forever,

but please tell us out there,

if you're hearing this here,

but like again with the air low and the U-Biggie

and the VPNs and oh my God,

just tell me how to fly around the world for free.

And then our last question for the day is about like,

how do you get back on the horse

after you have a really bad travel experience?

Or if you know, if something happens in your last travels

and you're like, maybe that's not for me,

but then you start looking again at the world

and you're like, ah, maybe I should get back out there.

I'm trying really, really hard to think about

another metaphor or analogy getting on the horse again.

But maybe by the end of this episode,

I will come up with one.

Okay, so our first question comes from,

oh, they're sad, they're sad.

Or it's the re-sad or Teresa D.

There's so many ways.

Let's go with Teresa D.

Okay, Teresa D.3664 says,

question for next Thursday, hopefully.

Early on, I don't remember where you were

or what you wanted to do,

but I remember you saying,

when you make your first $1,000 on YouTube,

you would come back and do it.

Do you remember what that was

and do you have plans to do it?

Man, that was a long time ago.

That was, and do you remember where it was?

Actually, maybe like a year or a year and a half ago.

It feels like things have been changing for us,

especially on like the business and content side

of this thing so rapidly.

But let's just play that clip back, roll the clip here,

so that way people know what we're talking about.

This area is a very popular cliff-jumping,

sky-diving area.

And right now there's about, I don't know,

10 or so people in the air up there.

They're kind of hard to see, they're pretty far away,

but I couldn't imagine a better place

to go paragliding than right here.

I just asked Josh if he would go paragliding

and he said, yeah.

We just promised each other

that the first time our YouTube channel

makes us $1,000 in a month,

we're going paragliding here.

You have it on camera.

Both of us looked at each other

and we're like, that looks so cool,

but we absolutely cannot afford it.

And we didn't even look up how much it cost

or what it would cost,

but we just had this feeling like someday

we're going to have to come back to Switzerland

and do this because it just seems so epic and so cool.

And I remember asking you and you said, yeah,

how about when we make our first $1,000

per month, like a month, in a month of YouTube, we'll do it.

And I mean, yeah, that was years ago.

And thank you for the reminder,

because I think it is one of those things

we have to celebrate that we have hit that milestone,

luckily, and we have been able to sustain this

for a couple of years now since then,

and we absolutely want to go back and do that.

Yeah, we've hit and grown past that milestone,

which is great.

I mean, we're not like that far past it,

but we've hit and gone past it.

So I think it's definitely time for us to go and do that.

And I remember how we felt in that moment

of both you and I looking at this awesome thing

that not only did we know that we would love,

and it's such a unique place to do it.

And then both of us just being like,

well, we'll never be able to afford that.

Like that goal of $1,000 in a month on YouTube

seemed so far away.

I think even at that time, I feel like even at that time,

I just like jokingly said to the camera, okay,

you heard it here, we're gonna go do that, Josh promised.

And at the time, I didn't even believe it

because we could probably go back and look,

but I think we were probably making just,

I don't know, $5, $10, maybe $15, who knows?

Almost none, almost none, like at most $5 a day.

Maybe $10 a day at that point.

I'm like, it was as close to zero as you can get

while still like being in the YouTube partner program.

And I just remember thinking like, yeah, someday,

like 10 years from now,

we're gonna be able to do that

when we make $1,000 a month.

We should absolutely put that in the calendar.

I do think, I mean, going back to Switzerland,

because we were only able to stay and interlock in

for like three to four days.

That's what we budgeted for.

It was so expensive.

It was just really expensive.

We were staying in hostels, eating,

you know, grocery store food, which was awesome,

and doing as many free things as possible, like hiking,

but it was still really expensive.

So I would love to go back.

Maybe we should go back next summer.

Next time that we are anywhere close to there,

we are going to do it.

That's a promise.

And we're gonna put that in the video.

But I think the biggest thing

that I keep thinking about with this

is just how far we've come from there.

You know, like that was so many years ago in our content

and like the stuff we were making was so different.

And our mindset about this entire thing was so different.

We were making videos like every other day.

We were nonstop filming for like months on end.

I mean, we were filming every single day.

Every single day, for at least half, if not all of the day.

And every other night, we were just like cramming

until two in the morning.

But I remember that feeling slowly growing over time

of like, is this stuff we're making like any good, you know?

It was just a different mindset.

Back then, I don't know that we were thinking this was,

like I wasn't unhappy with our stuff.

I wasn't unhappy about the quality of it.

It was just what we were doing.

We were a lot more present, I think back then.

Because it wasn't really a business.

It wasn't really something that we had decided

we were going to like shoot the moon.

What's the phrase?

Oh, shoot for the moon.

Shoot for the moon, yeah.

Shoot for the moon for.

Everything was so theoretical at that point.

We're just like, I will like try to make some movies sometimes.

And I think now our thought process of this

is very much movie first.

Like we go to Singapore intentionally

to make a movie of like the coolest stuff

that we can possibly find that other people hopefully

haven't done.

And on a budget.

And on a budget.

And there's like, there's a whole format to it now.

And back then, we were just like.

Filming everything.

We were just like a crappy knockoff Karen Nick.

So yeah, I just keep thinking back to like that moment

in time and how far away that goal felt

and how like cool it is that now we're not only talking

about it in a podcast, it wasn't even like a dream

we had at the moment, but now we've made like 16 a moment.

Now we have this little YouTube thing

that we do as our full-time jobs

and how different our lives are,

but also how kind of similar it is to back then.

And like.

It's been a while.

We're still still mega, mega budget.

Still still cheap, right?

And our travels.

I do remember like two years ago thinking,

yeah, well, we can't afford that.

Yeah.

And even now.

I think we said that like once a day.

And I think even now we still say things like that.

Obviously.

I mean, I haven't even looked.

I don't even remember looking how much paragliding.

Can you look?

Yeah, I'm just curious how much interlocking

paragliding actually costs.

Okay, so it's like $200 per person.

Okay.

To go and do this.

That seems worth it for your life.

And being able to do that.

Yeah. And it looks like they do four flights

for like $200.

I don't know, that's like, that's something at that time

that would have been so far out of our price range.

That would have been like a week of travel for us

at that time, but now.

Now.

Seems reasonable, which is wild to think.

Yeah.

Well, not reasonable.

We still wouldn't do it normally without this, you know,

like without it being a celebratory thing for us.

But I think it'll be super fun.

I can't wait to do it.

Yeah.

Okay, what's the next thing?

What are we talking about?

What are we talking about?

Well, either way, as soon as we do it,

it's going in this podcast where we do it.

But thank you for remembering that.

That's really cool.

And thank you for reminding us of that.

I think it's important to keep these like promises

to yourself that you make of like, when I hit X,

I'm going to go do this really cool thing

that I always dreamed of doing.

And I think if you just forget about those,

you just keep grinding without ever celebrating.

So thank you for reminding us to like,

to do that every once in a while.

So our next question comes from Brendan Gates,

who asks, what do you all recommend

when it comes to must have travel network connectivity?

I've got a trip coming up and I know I'll need to remote in

and take care of some work stuff,

state side on one night.

Chance it and hope hotel Wi-Fi will be sufficient.

Sign up for a short-term ESIM,

tack on international coverage, the US cell plan.

We have talked a lot about like phone and data coverage,

but we haven't really talked about the idea of like,

needing data or Wi-Fi to work specifically while traveling.

And this is something that definitely comes up for us a lot.

Because we are editing and uploading YouTube videos

as we go often times when we're traveling.

Yeah, and also we're taking calls with various,

like our accountant that we work with

and also some other brands that we've been talking to

and also some like-

Just general.

We just take business calls sometimes

for this little business

that we run relatively frequently.

And I think our setup now that we have,

it's obviously way different than the one

we had a couple of years ago,

but I think it's been pretty rock solid

for being able to join those Zoom meetings

that are on the other side of the planet.

I think our setup, at least the way that I think about it

for like the business and Zoom calls

is sometimes we've got to do it like two in the morning

or right because it's on US time.

I think our setup, I would still get the same thing

everywhere that we go.

I would still do the same thing everywhere that we go.

One, I would never really trust the hotel Wi-Fi

to be good at any point in time.

Because this is big shared medium, right?

Like, for example, at the hotel that we're at now,

really fast Wi-Fi, asterisk.

Sometimes it's super slow

because there are lots of other people on it

and they have like Netflix built into the TVs,

so at night-

It just depends on the time and the day.

Yes, yeah.

And it's too unpredictable to be able to trust

for these things.

So I think for those really important calls,

I basically always trust those to cellular.

Basically, yeah, almost always,

almost always unless I'm really, really sure

that the Wi-Fi is gonna be good

for the entirety of the time that we're there.

Yeah, I would say in like the last few years of traveling,

we've explored a lot of different options.

Like, we've definitely explored places

that have the co-working spaces, right?

And those cost anywhere from like $20 per day per person,

upwards to like $50 per day.

And the nice thing about those co-working spaces

is they have private spaces available.

They have whiteboards for people

that are really into whiteboarding.

They have your own little desks and set up

and oftentimes coffee, tea,

and then solid, reliable Wi-Fi.

I would say we've used those like maybe once or twice

in the last few years.

Yeah, it only looks like really mission critical.

Yeah.

Which we've had a few of those,

but not, doesn't happen all the time.

Or when we know we need like a solid full day of work

and we know we're gonna be there all day.

Public libraries, as it turns out,

in a lot of places have really reliable and good Wi-Fi.

Always the fastest internet everywhere you go

or public library. It's remarkable.

Like we've used them when we're at port stops for cruises.

We've used them in other countries.

It's always been pretty good at public libraries.

And then we also do the cafe hopping.

So I think it largely just depends on what you need.

But I think in the last couple of years,

we've mostly just depended on hotel Wi-Fi

and then having a backup of our cell plans.

Yeah, and I think it's important

which cell phone plan you buy.

Like if you need it mission critical,

the last thing that you wanna do

is to buy the international plan

for whatever your cell phone carrier is at home.

That's like the least good option

because it'll always be slower.

They always like ramp that stuff down to like 512K per second

or like a mega second,

which is not good enough to do even really a phone call,

let alone a video chat.

So I think the way that we think about it,

everywhere that we go,

if it's like really important to make sure that it works

is we'll buy a local SIM card

from whatever the biggest provider is.

Like in Thailand, it's AIS.

They have coverage basically everywhere

and you know you're on like the top tier

of their cell phone providers.

And if you're in Japan, maybe get a UBIGI eSIM,

but I'd probably just buy whatever the local big

tourist SIM card is.

And that way you're guaranteed to have

not just good throughput, but good latency

is in good round trip ping time.

So that way it's not like,

and then it's like, is that what you don't talk

and it's like super delayed for the other person

and that way the other person isn't delayed to you.

Cause when you're on a Zoom call, that just feels so terrible.

It feels awful.

I think I would always, I don't know,

the hotel wifi is so unpredictable.

I think if it really mattered,

I would make sure that I had a tethering plan

for my phone from a local SIM card.

And then backup plan,

you can't really go to cafes to take Zoom calls

and they're not always open

cause sometimes you gotta have them

at like three in the morning.

And then we also had to go,

I mean, there are some cafes now

that just limit how much time you can spend there.

So even then it's not really that reliable either.

Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Also, a thing that I have loved recently

is we bought this little travel router.

It's a tiny little blue box that we bought for the cruise.

And what that does is that like takes the wifi

out in the world and then replicates it

for your own private little network.

And the reason that this is awesome

is because some hotel rooms like the one we're in

have the ability to plug in like a cable

straight into their network.

That way you know that you're always getting fast internet

instead of over the shared wifi with everybody else.

And you have your own little private wifi

in your room just for you.

So if you can plug in directly,

then generally your experience on the hotel wifi

is gonna be really good.

But if you're on wifi and you're in one of those hotels

where they just like run a wireless repeater

after a wireless repeater after another wireless repeater

and you're on like the ninth floor

and it's just all repeating all the way back down

to the ground floor, do any one of those ones

in the chain could go down and then your internet's hosed

or it'll just be super slow getting back and forth.

Yeah, for example, when we went to New Zealand,

we knew that we weren't going to be staying in hotels

or campgrounds that had wifi or holiday parks

that had wifi for the most part.

So I think one of us, I think you bought

an unlimited data plan, which I think actually

was only about $60 maybe for a whole month.

Yeah, and it was fast.

Yeah, which it is a little bit pricey,

but it worked and we knew that we weren't going to be able

to access good reliable wifi,

especially while traveling on the road.

But then we're in places like when we're in Japan,

for example, or a lot of countries in Southeast Asia,

we know the hotel wifi is decent,

but it can kick us off sometimes.

So we always have both of us have some sort of backup

where we have an eSIM or the local SIM card.

For sure, but generally like only one of the two of us

will buy the expensive, fancy unlimited plan

and then like she'll tether her phone to my phone

that's got the unlimited plan and then we can share that.

And then we also put the laptops on that phone.

So everything's connecting back to that unlimited

cell phone plan for like most of the time,

that's how we do it.

I think the most like important lesson that we learned

in purchasing SIM cards or eSIMs is to find,

yeah, the right carrier, right?

Like the local eSIM or local SIM card will always,

almost always be the most affordable

and the most reliable and fastest.

We found that even though we love the convenience of AeroLo

and UbiGi, for example, in certain countries,

it's not always the fastest speeds.

Yeah, like AeroLo here in Japan, for example,

way too slow to be used for almost anything

because there are so many other people using

that same service and they're like the lowest tier

of support here in Japan.

So if you buy one of their like bigger carriers

then generally you will get much faster internet

which is what we've been experiencing here.

So I would say like, yeah, before you go and buy

like an AeroLo eSIM because you had mentioned that,

I would just figure out, yeah, for the country

or the place that you're visiting, what is the most

reliable local SIM there?

So I think to kind of summarize the way

that we think about this is that hotel Wi-Fi

is too unreliable generally for us to use

for really important like business eCalls.

So whenever we need to do something that we actually

like really, really needs to work right the first time,

we'll always get like a local SIM card

on whatever the fanciest carrier is

in the country that we're in.

And then we'll get like the unlimited plan

so that way you can tether your phone to your laptop

and that's how we'll handle most of our like business

critical calls, the really important stuff.

And then for like second tier stuff of like check an email

or like looking at stuff that people sent you or whatever.

Wi-Fi is fine.

A hotel Wi-Fi or a coffee shop for that, usually.

The worst thing, I think the least good option

is to buy the international plan

for your cell phone carrier back at home.

I think that is just a recipe for sadness.

We've tried it, lots of other people have tried it.

It's expensive and it's slow as heck.

Okay, what else do we got?

What else are we talking about?

I don't know how many more internet related questions

there could possibly be, but if you've got any more,

send them on over.

He's got lots of thoughts.

He's got lots of thoughts.

It's not gonna make it into this video,

but I spent 10 minutes in this podcast explaining

how like wireless access point repeating works.

And I had to say, what is an access point

and why are we talking about the light on our ceilings?

And why it's such a bad practice for hotels

and why it leads to hotels with such crappy Wi-Fi,

but all that stuff.

Oh, what are your thoughts?

I guess, should we talk about VPNs?

No.

For that purpose?

No, I mean, there's a lot of VPN.

I would say if the call is important and it's video,

using a VPN will make your experience less good.

I would recommend people not to VPN back

unless you absolutely have to for a video call

because it'll increase that round trip time

between you and sending your stuff

and it getting back to you by so much

that the words you say will come across disconnected

from the video of you saying it on the other side.

We've had many of conversations about the way internet

and data works.

If you're interested, you can ask us.

Yeah, I used to build.

And Josh will talk about it.

In the previous life, I built these large networks

for many businesses as well as other like internet carriers.

So this is something that I love talking about,

but nobody likes listening to.

So if you wanna hear more about this.

I love you.

Travel wide area network support, it'll be great.

Okay, so this next one from lovers get lost

is a great question.

And I think it's so closely mirrors the experience

that we had.

And probably for a lot of you too,

like when your plans just don't go to plan

after so much planning,

they said similar to us,

they quit their jobs and packed up their entire lives

to travel for 18 months in February, 2020.

Of course, you know what happened then,

we didn't really have any options other than

to abandon our travel plans.

We haven't taken that extended trip.

And their question is,

how do you get to the point of being comfortable

of making such a huge decision again,

when yeah, it didn't go at all to plan last time.

Right, because like probably by now,

if you haven't taken that trip,

you've like started another job

and like bought some more IKEA furniture

and moved into an apartment.

You kind of like built back up to the place

that you were before you were gonna leave.

It's so hard because I do remember when we,

I mean, we completely understand this feeling in 2020.

We gave our two weeks noticed in February, 2020.

We went to a wedding in England,

came back home for our last week of work

and realized we couldn't even go back

into the office for work and say goodbye

because everything was shutting down.

And then we had, we got rid of our apartment,

we had nowhere to go.

We drove all the way to your parents in Wisconsin

and we were just,

We were lost. Lost.

And it was hard, like you said,

I mean, it was hard because you just,

you kind of like are waiting to see what's gonna happen.

And, but you don't know whether to like move on

with your life, which it sounds like

maybe you guys have or commit to this big decision

that you like spent so long planning for.

Yeah. And I think for a while for us,

it felt like we were like cursed,

like it was personal, you know?

Like the world was like doing it to us.

Yeah. We're like, ah!

When obviously it was everybody that was affected,

but like, yeah, you definitely feel this

like personal like thing.

It felt like we, it felt like we did all the right things

to open up this chunk of our lives.

And it felt like we like passed all the tests

and sold all the things and saved up all the money.

And that, I don't know, it was hard to get past this idea

that it was like personal

and that like we were cursed in some way

that no matter what we tried,

this was going to happen again.

That something else was gonna get in our way or something.

Cause it was such a big change for us.

Like it was a really, it was a tough time.

And I'm sure it sounds like it was a really hard time

for you as well.

And I totally get that.

Where you, you're so close to making this dream happen.

That for us, we had been planning for like three

or four years.

We had been preparing for this thing for so long.

And then just have it for the rug pullout

from right underneath us.

It was a lot at the time,

but I think the thing that like got us back into it

was one just like a short process of feeling really sad

and grieving the loss of time over it.

And then the consistent thought of like,

what's the other option?

If we give up on this thing, what's really,

like what's the other life gonna look like?

And it's just gonna be going back to the thing

that we tried really hard for many years

to quit in the first place.

Yeah, I mean, I think our story is a little bit different

in that we just after that time,

we did discuss this a lot.

We wondered as soon as we'd quit our jobs,

should we ask for our jobs back?

Should we?

Which was not an option, we do.

You know, should we talk to our bosses about this?

And yeah.

It was such a turbulent time.

I think we still though kept having conversations

as this thing kept getting extended.

Like what should we do?

Should I, should we, you know, keep waiting,

keep holding off?

And that part was actually the hardest.

And I don't know if that's what you guys are grappling with

now, you know, the uncertainty of all of it, right?

Like after having made such a big decision

and then having it all just go, you know, poop.

And then, but like going back to our jobs

or getting an apartment or, you know,

finding another job is more certain than waiting,

you know, for something that turned out

we had to wait a long time, you know,

for the world to reopen and for us to be able

to get vaccinated and travel again.

I don't know that there's like a right answer

and how we did it, but I think a lot of it

was just having conversations about

about what felt right to us at the time.

And for us, it didn't feel like it felt like too soon

for us to be able to like go back to our jobs.

And it felt like once we had already left our apartment,

once we had already quit our jobs,

going back didn't feel like the right option.

And so we just thought, okay, what's our next best option?

We decided to whiteboard it.

And that's when we decided to try camper vanning

along with everybody else and their moms, you know?

And that ended up being a fun, really good option

in the meantime.

So maybe it's, you know, trying out trips again.

I don't know if it's that you guys are afraid

or worried about more disappointment in the future,

like that feeling of being cursed.

But I think after we had our like couple of months

of like, what is happening?

What did we do to our lives?

And then deciding on our next big project,

which was building the camper van along with your parents

turned out to be the best thing for us

because we had a goal every single day.

And we knew that it would ultimately get us to travel.

It looked different.

We weren't doing international travel,

but we were going to be able to see the world.

I mean, see the US and see some of our family and friends.

That didn't end up going to plan either

if you watch any of our van life videos.

Sure it was fun while it lasted.

But I will say that entire experience helped us definitely

be more comfortable with change

and more comfortable with things

not going according to plan and just adapting.

Yeah, and I think just the process

of physically building something every single day

really I think kicked us out of that kind of depressive state.

It was this process of like getting

past that initial feeling of feeling

like it was personal or that we were like cursed.

And then this act of like physically going out there

and physically building a dream,

even though it was a different dream

than the one that we had originally wanted

made it feel like it was possible

to make real life things happen.

And one of the more tactical things

I think we ended up doing

was actually this book called Designing Your Life.

Do you remember when we did this?

Yeah.

So we read this whole book cover to cover

and it outlines this process of taking

like your current life where you are

and then drawing a map from there to your dream life

to whatever you want.

And it's about uncovering what that big dream is

that you wanted.

And for us, we kind of expected,

we kind of weirdly expected throughout this process

that that dream life, whatever that endpoint was

was gonna be different than what we thought it was.

We thought like there's no way it's gonna involve

international traveler another 18 months or whatever.

But after talking about it over and over again,

all of it just pointed back to that original idea

of like quitting the job, traveling the world for a while

and then just...

Seeing what happened.

Figuring out what happens after that, exactly.

And after dozens of whiteboarding sessions

and dozens of life planning sessions

and talking with friends about this

and going back to it, we just realized

that that initial dream was still alive.

Like it was still there and to give up on it

just didn't make any sense.

Yeah, I will be pretty honest about this.

I'm in my 30s and I don't really like to read.

And I mean, it's just the truth.

I don't know if I used to like to read as a kid.

I don't know if it was like college or grad school.

I just, enough reading got to the point

where I don't like reading anymore for,

that's a side conversation.

That being said, design your life is one of those books

that like, I think changed my perspective

on how I see how our lives can look.

And I don't wanna be woo about it.

I mean, we're obviously very, very lucky

with how things turned out over the pandemic.

We had a place to stay.

We were healthy.

Our friends and family were healthy.

For the most part, yeah.

Yeah, and we got to live our dreams eventually.

And we had the resources, but reading that book

helped me understand.

And I think like in written form showed me,

I think we're so used to thinking

that our life has to look a certain path

as to follow a certain trajectory.

And that's what I always assumed.

And then I think what this, what luckily the pandemic

and the quitting of the job and traveling the world,

that taught me that it doesn't have to look like that

if you don't want it to.

It can feel overwhelming, I think,

to make like you said, that huge decision

to like do it all over again.

But I think after reading that book,

we realized that all of the things

and the decisions that we've been making

in the last like 30 years of our life

have been slowly, slowly growing to this path.

Yeah, without us knowing.

But it was the only clear, obvious next step for us.

And we're like, okay, so that's, if that's the right choice,

I think it was just this process of drawing out

the whole thing and then remembering

why we had that dream in the first place.

And then once we realized that those initial intentions

that we had for this trip of like,

we want to get out of this nine to five thing,

we want to try to find a different life path

than the one that we're currently on.

We want to do it together, most importantly.

That's why we've been saving up for this thing

and we're okay with not being home

and we want to see what other cool stuff

the world has to offer and we want to do it

on our own terms and on our own timeline

and all these little things that had been like,

slowly growing in both of our brains

for basically the entirety of the time

that we've been working nine to five jobs.

This little, these little problems

that eventually became bigger and bigger and bigger problems

that the only right solution for it was just that one.

And I think the nice thing about,

and we're not sponsored by this book,

but and we don't, you know, we don't really have any

like invested feelings in this book

other than that we really enjoyed it,

is that it's a very practical guide

to like writing down your thoughts on this.

They ask you questions about what your goals are,

what's your current life situation,

what do you want your current life situation to be

in certain aspects like in work, play, relationships.

And I think it's one of those books

that we try to revisit every season

because right now that I think,

oh, our life doesn't have to follow this one trajectory,

it can change, why not see where we're at now?

So maybe that's like a good, I mean, book aside,

maybe what the solution is is to check in with each other

and say, okay, what is our current life like?

Am I happy?

Am I okay with this current plan?

And if so, then yeah, don't no need to change that.

But if you're looking for a change, then maybe,

maybe to start talking about what are some of the barriers,

what are some of the reasons why it feels

like such a huge decision or huge challenge

to re-quit your job and reinvest in this large plan.

Yeah, I don't know.

And maybe, maybe you're gonna go through this whole process

and it'll be like, that's not the right thing for us now.

Yeah.

You know, like our priorities have changed.

And maybe now the thing we wanna do is build a super cool

scuba diving service in South America

where we hide treasure at the bottom of the ocean.

And then people are like pirates, but with scuba gear

and they put on the scuba gear and go to the bottom of the

ocean and open our pirate treasure.

That was definitely one of the things that came up

for Josh's goals in his lifetime

when we went through this book too.

Right, right.

Maybe that'll be the thing that you uncover

throughout this process.

And you're like, oh, I didn't, I didn't even think

of that idea three years ago.

And now we have the financial resources to get a bunch

of pirate treasure chests and sink them down

to the bottom of the ocean and open up this new shop.

Maybe, you know, like it could open all these cool new doors

for you that maybe you didn't even think of

or like these little ideas that you've had over time.

Or maybe you'll just come right back to the same place

you did in February, 2020 and just realize,

it's time to sell everything again.

Let's get back on the horse.

Let's fly to Thailand.

Yeah.

It might be, it might be that exact same thing thing.

But I think without checking in,

without finding where that North Star is,

you're just gonna be kind of like wandering around

in the wilderness like we were for a very long time.

I think we empathize with you

because we completely understand

that it can feel really overwhelming

to one, even go through this entire process once, right?

So congratulations on doing that.

Right, you did the hardest part.

Yeah.

And then have it all just like,

yeah, just be taken away is really, really,

really challenging, really tough

and really hard to get over.

I'm someone that definitely feels like

I like to protect myself from disappointment.

I worry about, worry about things not going to plan.

But there's something nice about now from the other side,

being able to look at things and say like,

things change all the time.

And that's like one of the things

that I kind of feel grateful for over the pandemic

and everything that's happened in the last few years.

I don't think had we quit our jobs

and had all of that happen,

taken this one year trip that we would have

started this YouTube channel,

we wouldn't have even,

we wouldn't have known the things that we really valued

and appreciated until now.

And I think a lot of it was having all of that,

the stuff be taken away.

All the plans that we could ever have be taken away

made us realize, okay, what's in front of us?

How do we make do with what we have?

And what's really important to us?

Yeah, and in that process,

we got to have like the best summer ever

with our parents of like building out

this super cool camper van.

And then that led us to becoming like,

kind of good at making YouTube videos,

not really great at that time,

but at least start the process and figure out

how this works, which then led us to here.

And like you're saying,

like none of this stuff would have happened without it.

Okay, I think we've talked this subject to death.

I don't know, do you got any more?

I think that's, so I think hopefully that's helpful.

What a great question.

It's really challenging if any of you out there

have suggestions or thoughts on this

or have experience in this,

please chime in, we'd love to hear from you.

And let us know if you have any other questions

for next week's travel support Thursday.

All right, see you then.

We'll see you next time.

Thank you.