Travel Support Thursday

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So today on Travel Support Thursday,

we are talking about how we feel

as we're sort of like getting older

and would we still make the same decision

to quit our jobs and travel the world

if we were older or if we were younger?

Just generally how like age affects

this kind of big decision to make a big change

in your life and go and do something like travel the world.

A lot of topics.

I have so many thoughts about all of these things

but the place I wanted to start first today

was this question that we got

that we have just been talking about nonstop

for the past two days.

And I think in a lot of ways,

just thinking about this question has changed our lives

and the way that we kind of look at ourselves.

Let me, okay, so just tell us what this question is

and we'll go deeper.

So this question comes from RevJerryRM who asks,

how can an individual that is semi-disabled

due to back problems do the whole backpack thing

when traveling?

I cannot carry anything on my back.

Thanks, love all the videos.

Oh man, so this question let us down such a rabbit hole

for so many different reasons.

I think first of all is that it's something

that neither of us have truly really thought about.

And we really, really appreciate the question

because for that exact reason,

I think it's something that we take for granted

and we by no means mean to be exclusionary

in the way that we travel

and the way that we do our travel content.

But this question opened our eyes to,

yeah, the accessibility of travel

and what it means to be a backpacker.

Yeah, exactly.

And I realized through talking through a lot of this

over the past couple of days that being like a backpacker,

whatever that term actually means,

which we still couldn't come up with like a one definition

for it is so wrapped up in not only my identity,

but also my ego in so many ways of that.

Like I see myself as a backpacker

and that I see myself as this like person

who just has like a small amount of stuff

on my back and I'm walking through the world

with it and like that image of myself

is so wrapped up with who I think I am

that to imagine it any other way seems really hard.

Right, like when you envision a backpacker,

you think of someone who's carrying all their belongings

in a giant or a small backpack

and they're world travelers, they're nomadic

and whatever that means to you.

I mean, for a lot of people,

I think for backpackers specifically,

there's a sense of pride that comes with it.

For sure.

And I don't want to say this,

but a little bit of like elitism thinking like,

oh, I managed to pack all of my stuff into this backpack.

I don't need this pillow, I don't need all these luxuries

and they see people who travel with suitcases maybe

and I'm speaking for myself,

but this question truly humbled us a little bit

because yeah, I think there's a little piece of

when you look at suitcases, you think, oh, that's luxurious.

You get to carry all of this stuff.

You must have a lot of money

because you can carry all the comforts of home

in your suitcase.

Right, right.

And there's so many angles to this.

I look at that and I disagree

and so this question really opened up a lot of questions.

Yeah, because I think first of all,

I imagine myself for the first time in my life

as like a person who couldn't walk.

You know, like how would my life look?

What would I do?

How would I approach this lifestyle that we have?

I started imagining myself in like those different situations

of let's say I just had a back injury

and I like couldn't carry a backpack.

You know, that actually seems super likely

that at some point in my life probably

That would happen.

That that would be me.

All right, that would be me.

And how would we approach this lifestyle of travel

and would we still be backpackers if we were

Yeah.

kept coming up as a question and there weren't really

a lot of clear answers.

But I would say the biggest thing that I think of

is that this idea of being a backpacker, I think,

the more that we talked about it,

it's less about just what you're wearing.

It's less about your choice of like luggage,

whether you wear it over your shoulders or your hips

or whether you like drag it behind you

on a rolly thing or whatever.

It has nothing to do with that really.

I think it's more of a mindset thing.

Yeah.

I think it's more of a mindset.

Like the backpacker mindset, at least from my perspective,

is it's a person who's like going out into the world

and bringing as little as possible from their own home

to go and experience that.

So that way they can leave as much awesomeness,

as much space available in wherever they're going

to have cool things happen, to have surprises,

to be able to learn things when they get there.

So that way they're not bringing,

that way they're not bringing all those comforts

that they're used to from home,

but they want to experience the place

that they're headed to in as real and authentic

as a way as possible.

And I think that's a backpacker.

And right now, right now that kind of seems

like it's shorthand for just like a person

who is wearing a backpack who is walking these countries.

And it's just, it's so, it's,

that's such an oversimplification I think of it.

And it's so exclusionary to think of it that way,

that I just, I have to feel,

that I definitely do feel as though

it's much more of a mindset than it is a choice of luggage.

Agreed.

You know, this is the first time

that we actually thought about why we love carrying

our backpacks so much.

Like why our backpacks mean so much to us.

Last week we talked about our backpacks,

we talked about your evolution of backpacks

and how they've changed.

And how tied to me they are,

like how proud I am of them.

And there is like, in a lot of ways,

this question helped us realize

that it's just a backpack,

but the backpack is an analogy

to like the way of life that we're choosing.

Leaving the luxuries and the comforts of home

is essentially saying,

I am choosing to not take my own expectations

of what my life is like,

what my home country is like,

what I usually do at home

to this new place that I get to visit.

And that's like kind of the beauty

of I think the idea of carrying less,

the idea of a backpack.

Yeah, so when you say do the backpack thing,

that's what I first imagine,

is that like doing the backpack thing

doesn't at all insinuate like where you want to go

or how you want to experience it just,

like to me when I hear that,

I think like there's only one right way to travel

and that right way to travel

is just to put a tiny backpack on your back and go.

And that's like the image that I have in my head.

Obviously that's not the only way to travel.

And that's not even the most right way to travel.

I mean, we have a suitcase now.

Yes, exactly.

This was actually, this question is so timely

because even though we love our backpacks

and we still have them,

we on this very trip was for the first time

had to pack a suitcase.

And mostly because of our camera gear

and our tripods and our drone,

all these different things that come with us

now that we're filming and traveling.

And it was really hard.

It was a struggle for me because to me,

it meant well, we have to pay more money

to check on the suitcase.

And are we backpackers anymore?

Yeah.

You know, like what does this mean for us?

Like what does this mean for our channel?

What does this mean for the type of people we are?

Like does this mean we've changed?

Does this mean we've sold out

because we like can't do it anymore

because we're carrying like, you know, 25 pounds

of camera gear? Too many luxurious cameras.

Before I started traveling internationally,

I was a suitcase user.

I always had a small carry on.

I actually really, really love it.

And logistically, if someone is looking for,

like what is the minimalist,

most minimalist kind of carry on,

there's so many kinds.

There are so many awesome suitcases out there.

But the one tried and true that I loved,

I don't know, still exists.

Is this, it was from Ikea.

It was like, I don't know.

Oh yeah, I remember that one.

It was like this tall, I don't know, maybe.

How tall is that?

Four feet, three feet tall.

It would have definitely fit

in the like the overhead bin of anywhere.

It was a carry on suitcase.

It was so small, but it was like a pod style.

It was hard, but it was soft and hard shell.

It was soft and hard shell.

And the rolly wheels were actually made out of rubber

so they didn't make the sound of like,

it was just, it was silent.

Anyway. Truly the perfect suitcase.

But I loved that suitcase.

And then when I started backpacking,

but just that word, right?

Like what does that mean?

Yeah, when I started carrying a backpack,

I kind of just like shoved it out of my life.

And I wish I still had that suitcase, honestly.

All right, all right.

But I think, so to get to your question, right?

Like how would we approach this?

If we were any differently able than we are right now,

how would we approach traveling?

And I think that that's kind of the onus of this question.

I think probably just get one of those really nice

rolly suitcases.

And we have one right now.

Or if I was in a wheelchair,

I think I would get one of those super cool,

like Phoenix rolly suitcases that they have.

They like clip to the back of the wheelchair

and they're like a mini wheelchair in itself

that you can put a backpack on.

Jansport also, I found Jansport made a really,

really cool backpack that have all these different kinds

of adjustable straps that allow you to wear it

as a backpack, but also strap it to a wheelchair,

strap it to different,

there's so many different adjustable straps

that allow you to use it in different settings.

And it doesn't change the like style of the Jansport bag.

And I thought that was also a great backpack.

Just bring the bare minimum that I needed,

which for us is actually quite a lot now.

But if we weren't filming everything

would be like a couple of pairs of clothes

and maybe like a tablet, a phone,

and some chargers in the passport.

And that would be it.

And all that would probably fit into this hip thing.

So that way the weight wouldn't be on my shoulders

and that might work a little better.

And I guess, but the underlying thing behind that

is why are we bringing so little?

Why are we doing the backpack thing?

And I think it's like the mentality

of being open to the world,

but also logistically when you're carrying very little,

it's just a lot easier to say yes to more experiences, right?

You can pack up your things really quickly.

You can get out the door, you can catch a train.

If you know there's one coming in five minutes

and you're just down the road,

yeah, I can just grab my stuff and go

without having to sort through every little thing.

And it means that there's a lot more opportunity

to meet more people, shop locally at the stores

that you're in the countries and the cities

that you're visiting.

And I think we can't continue with this

without acknowledging that it would be more difficult

to travel in some places than others.

For sure.

And I think overall, just imagining myself,

obviously any time you have something

that you used to be able to do,

and then as you get older,

all of a sudden you just can't do it anymore.

Or with an injury.

Or with an injury, or any of those things,

like that feels awful.

That feels terrible, and I think to not acknowledge that,

I feel like we've fallen into this trap sometimes too

with the things that we say we're like,

we wanna be inspirational, but we also kinda forget,

and we take that for granted.

And I also feel like we would,

and I feel like the second part of this question is like,

for sure, I would choose some locations more frequently

than others.

We were just at the Glowworm Caves,

down into the earth, and the entirety of the thing

is all wheelchair accessible.

And it was amazing, like the whole experience

was accessible.

A lot of these trails, a lot of these walks

that we're experiencing here in New Zealand

are all accessible.

I think the accessibility of public transportation

in a lot of countries like Taiwan.

It's such a big deal.

Taiwan, Japan, South Korea makes it so easy to get around.

Even like, even the Camino,

certain Caminos made it very, very accessible

for different people.

I think the fact that you can send your luggage ahead,

that that's a known service.

On the Camino Portuguese, there was a whole community

of people who were riding bikes

and bringing along people who had disabilities,

so that they could also experience the Camino.

This was something that I think I thought a lot about

when my family and I visited China

for the first time together.

I think, I even have a journal entry about it.

I saw a family carrying their son,

who was in a wheelchair up the stairs of the Great Wall.

It touched my heart.

That is love and the epitome of sacrifice.

And at the time, I thought of my dad who this,

he had passed before we got to go with him,

but I remember thinking,

I wrote, I thought of my dad

and what would have been like to have him there.

Because you start to wonder like,

are there certain places that people can't visit?

Are there certain experiences that you can't have

because you're unable to walk or carry things?

And I don't know what my point is,

but I think, I hope that there's a world

where eventually traveling is accessible for everybody.

That's the hope.

I think the thing that I would say is that,

don't let this traditional one-dimensional explanation

of what a backpacker is.

Keep you from thinking that if you do it any other way

that you're gonna have any less of an experience.

Just go into it with that same openness

that a backpacker would have,

that same want of trying to like connect with the place

you're in instead of bringing all of your comforts from home.

And you'll be more of a backpacker

than anybody I've ever met.

I'm also going to, we're gonna leave this in the,

we're gonna leave this article in our video description,

but this question brought up a really great conversation

and we found this article by a backpacker who asks,

am I still a backpacker if I can't carry a backpack?

It's a very great read and it talks about her life

and her journey as a backpacker until she suffered

a huge back injury and she struggled with this.

Logistically, if any of you have any suggestions,

any thoughts or want to share about your experiences,

we'd love to hear them in the comments below.

Yeah, and I would also say that like,

I know we rambled a lot on this one

because we have so many thoughts

because it like turned from this thing of like,

okay, what cool other options are there

to like bring our stuff with us

if we were differently able than we are right now?

And then that just like opened up this entire other

can of worms for us of talking about like,

what does it mean to be a backpacker?

And all this like, you know, theoretical stuff.

So we know this may not have answered your question directly,

but this, and honestly, that's because we're probably

not coming from a place of expertise here.

And we wanted more to just open up the conversation

about this idea of what it's like to be a backpacker,

what it feels like, what would we do differently

if we weren't able to carry our backpacks anymore?

So we'd love to hear from you.

What are your thoughts?

What are your suggestions?

What are your advice?

And what are your experiences?

We want to live in a world where travel is accessible,

not just budgetarily, but also accessibility-wise

for everybody.

So our next question, I love these kinds of questions.

It's very logistical and something

that I think we take for granted.

This next question comes from user NF2E18EY7K.

Nailed it, just rolls right off the tongue, doesn't it?

Love these videos, thank you for all that you do.

Two questions, how do you handle washing your clothes

while traveling and how do you handle leftover food?

Do you bring collapsible containers?

Oh, man. Great question.

We've actually gotten this question from a lot of you

in different format.

So let's just talk about laundry, first of all,

because this is very top of mind.

We've been in our camper van now for almost three weeks,

and we just did laundry yesterday.

It was getting really bad.

I gotta tell you, after putting on fresh clothes,

after not wearing fresh clothes for over a week

and just being cold and damp for that entire time,

and hiking everywhere.

It was a religious experience.

It was warm, I put it on, I was just like, oh yes, oh my God.

It has been raining for so long here in New Zealand

that having these fresh clothes was just amazing.

Life changing.

Logistically, there are a lot of different ways

that we handle laundry while on the road,

but specifically with the camper van,

since it's been raining, we just go to a laundry mat.

We search in Google Maps, we search for self laundry,

our laundry mat, put in our laundry for an hour,

stop at a nearby cafe or a pub,

and then dry them and pick them up.

Yeah, it's basically the same as being at home.

Sometimes when we're traveling around Europe

or other places, we will hand wash our laundry

in the sinks or in the showers.

Generally, that's just like putting a bunch of shampoo

on the thing while I'm in the shower on, let's say,

underwear or a t-shirt or whatever,

and then just hanging it up outside near the window,

somewhere where you got some air flow, letting it dry.

So we'll do that if we're feeling extra cheap

or our budget's running out, we'll do that.

Or if there's no laundry mat nearby.

Yeah, or in a lot of places in Southeast Asia,

they have these great wash and fold services

that are actually pretty affordable.

And you'll just drop off your laundry at one of these places

and then 24 hours later, they'll just return it to you

in a plastic bag, all nicely washed and folded.

It smells so good.

And it's just absolutely amazing.

Yeah, as far as leftover food, I mean, in the van,

it's been cold enough that we can leave stuff out.

And we also have a chili bin or a cooler in the back

that we keep food.

We don't generally bring collapsible containers with us.

Almost never, almost never.

Sometimes some like Ziploc bag things,

but we just try not to order too much.

Or try not to make too much

so that we eat just enough for what we have.

Okay, on to the next question.

This question comes from gel2786,

who asked, does age make you anxious?

Do you think that one can only afford

to make this life-changing decision at a certain age?

Geez.

Would really appreciate any insight and wisdom

you can share.

And I assume when they say life-changing decision,

it's this quitting our jobs to travel the world.

Yeah, that's what I would assume as well.

So like, I think about this, I think about time,

just in general, getting older every day.

Sometimes way too much.

Way too much.

And I think I'm kind of in like a special situation here

in that like, one time I got dengue fever.

And I don't really want to tell all of the stories,

so I'll just summarize it,

because I just don't feel,

I don't know, comfortable talking about it yet.

But one time I got dengue fever

and it stopped my heart for a little while.

And when I woke up from this thing,

which I luckily did,

I realized at that moment

that I have absolutely no control

over how much time I have left on the planet.

I have no control at all.

And all that illusion of like,

young, fierce like invincibility

that I had going into like,

my first round-the-world trip when this happened.

All of that was just torn away in that instant

when just a mosquito came and bit me.

And I just, my heart stopped.

And I think ever since that moment,

I've always felt like I don't have enough time.

Like I've been in a rush.

I've been in a hurry ever since then, nonstop.

And I think that that's why I have chosen

a lot of these like life decisions that I do now,

like quitting my job four different times,

like working a year to then travel a year to work a year

to travel a year, just like almost obsessively doing that

because I genuinely didn't and still don't think

that I'm going to be like around long enough

to see my retirement because I have no control over it.

I have no control over it at all.

So I think at that moment,

I realized that like I needed to do stuff

that I wanted to do now.

Cause if I had no control over when the roller coaster ride

was going to end, I wanted that roller coaster ride

to be as interesting and awesome

and exactly what I wanted it to be.

And some part of me is thankful that it did happen.

And some part of me feels really vulnerable all the time.

Like it's just like, you know, like this moment

could just be gone at any time where this camper van trip

could just come to an end if we like careen off the road

and I hate to feel so like fatalistic about it.

But I think about this all the time.

And I think it's a direct result of like fully feeling

my mortality at kind of a young age.

I was like 25 or something at the time

that to really to hear a question like this

where you're like, can you ever be too old

to decide how you want your life to look?

I'm just like, no, no one else is gonna,

no one else is gonna be like, okay,

you now have permission to go on a one year trip

that you've always wanted to do.

No, you have to, you have to carve that path for yourself.

No one's gonna do it for you.

And honestly, before this thing happened,

I would have never carved this path

cause I would have just assumed that I would do it later.

I would have just assumed that 20 years would pass

and then later on, once I had enough money

or once I got permission or maybe after I had kids

or any of these other things happen,

once enough life had passed

and I'd like earned my keep or whatever

that I would be able to go and travel the world.

And it was so, it's such a big risk.

It's such a big bet to assume

like the biggest risk you can take in life

is to assume that you're gonna be like healthy enough

to do the thing that you wanna do later.

For me to, yeah, when I read this question,

I like hear myself before I realized how fragile

this life and this existence was

and just how quickly it can all be taken away

by the smallest, stupidest things.

So, you know, like just,

and how little control that I had over the entire situation

but I had full control over what I did with my own time.

There were obviously, there are always compromises

that you're gonna be making

and there are always like, you know,

things you're gonna do for other people.

No question and honestly, if you let it happen,

you could spend your entire life doing stuff

for other people and it would probably make you pretty happy.

But I had a feeling that if I didn't start

this traveling thing, if I didn't see the world

in the way that I wanted to,

when I was still healthy to do it,

that I would regret it.

And I can live with a lot of stuff.

I can live with discomfort.

I can live with like seven straight days

in a stinky camper van.

With no showers.

With no showers.

But I cannot live with regret.

I just can't do it.

In some ways, it's made me just absolutely crazy

because I feel like I'm always pushing us forward

and I know that this affects you a lot

because I'm always like, we need to do this now.

We need to do this now.

We need to do this now.

Because I have this like thing in my head

that's like warm ever since then of like,

I'm running out of time.

I'm running out of time.

I'm running out of time.

And I can't get rid of it.

I can't get rid of it.

And part of me still wants it around.

And the other part of me is just ashamed

to still be like pushing as hard as I can,

even though I know it like stresses our relationship a lot.

Because I know you're thinking like, slow down.

Slow down, we've got time.

Slow down, we've got time.

But like, I just, I can't turn it off.

So for me to, you know, when I read this question

and I see that like, where is it?

Does age make you anxious?

Yeah, yes, it does make me anxious.

But it also, I find it extremely motivational.

And do you think that you can only afford

to make this life changing decision at a certain age?

No, but I think that you definitely

can't afford to wait too long.

I know that this like didn't directly answer your question

because it might be more like financial or monetarily

like angled, but that's how I think about it.

I think you answered the question really well.

And I think like.

Sorry, I just monologue for like, God.

No, this is important.

I think about this every single day

and I'm sorry I just like exploded on this question.

I think if you watch any of our videos, you know.

Okay, at least.

I think if you watch any of our videos, you'll know.

Like we move very quickly.

I think in general, and I think you're not alone

in that feeling.

I definitely feel like we're always running out of time.

There's so many things.

There's so many places I want to go.

There's so many things I want to see.

And for contacts, we're in our 30s, late 30s now.

And even though I don't feel like it,

I still feel like I'm in my 20s.

I think a lot of life events can change

what perspective you have on age, right?

Like, I think your experience was a very,

very urgent, very understandably like traumatizing experience,

but one that like, I think you left with a sense of,

I must seize the day.

And I think that that is one that.

I think it was the only good thing

I could find that came out.

Yeah, and I think that's one.

And I think I just clung to it.

It's important because I think for people like me,

I can get very complacent.

I can get very content.

And I think contentment is a really good thing.

Savoring moments, cherishing moments are really good too.

But I need that like, that a little bit of urgency,

that little kick in the pants.

Is that what people say?

Sure, sure.

That kick in the pants to like, get going, you know?

I mean, I will give you.

And I think I'm just permanently kicked in the pants.

I will say, I don't, I'm not as anxious about getting older,

but the motivating thing for me,

I think truly what came from this experience

and quitting our jobs and traveling the world is,

yes, we got to see amazing things,

but I really, I think to your point,

to your point, this whole experience of quitting our jobs

and traveling the world has taught me

how much I was spending my time giving

to other people's dreams, to other people's things.

And that maybe there was some compromise,

some way, something in the middle.

Obviously not just like giving up on everyone

that you love in your life and just disappearing,

but maybe doing that for a couple of months

or maybe a year or just to take some time for you.

For me, like, for me, and I know this is like

a totally different experience, but for me, growing up,

I was always the person that I had to stay close to home.

I wanted, you know, it was, I was a part of my family.

I was a part of my community.

So it is my responsibility, my obligation

to take care of things at home and to be there physically.

And for that reason, I never left.

I never left.

I never traveled far.

I never left home.

But I think at some point, I realized,

especially after my dad died, that I had spent,

what, 20, 26, 27 years of my life

preparing for the possibility of something happening.

Right, like waiting for something bad to happen,

expecting that tomorrow or next week or yeah.

And then it happened, but I wasn't prepared for it.

I mean, obviously there's a give and take for everything

and everyone's situation is different.

But for me, that moment was the moment

that I realized like, I'm not in control either.

I think there's a balance.

And so even though, yeah, like I think

we have different personalities

and we have different motivations

for why we do the things that we do, right?

Like you're very urgently, like this has to happen

yesterday and I'm like, but let's just sit

and enjoy this moment for like a whole 24 hours.

We like have the same goal, you know?

We have the same reasoning and I think.

Just like different ways of trying to get to it.

We just want to build a life that is,

I don't know, meaningful for ourselves

and for other people.

Squeeze every last drop out of this thing

and give as much of that juice as freely

as we possibly can to everyone around us, you know?

And that's, I don't think that there's only,

I don't think that there's any right time

or any wrong time to do this.

It's just the time that you find to make the decision

that you're going to, that you're gonna,

that you're gonna change your life.

And whenever you do make that decision,

whenever that time is right, you're gonna know it.

And you're gonna do it in the way that you know how.

I think like, obviously again,

like our situations are very different.

We're in a place right now where we are luckily healthy

and able and we've saved financially.

And we have families that were supportive of our decisions.

There's all this caveatting that we can say, right?

There's all this couching that we can do.

We, yeah, we don't, I don't think it's ever too late.

Yeah.

And if you're sitting out there being like,

how do I do this?

I want to travel for a long time,

but I just genuinely don't know how much it costs

or where I should go or what I should do

or any of those things like,

that's all that we want to talk about on here.

That's like.

We want to give trips away.

That's the whole thing we're doing here is that.

So please ask those questions into the podcast

as specifically as you possibly can.

And we'll try to answer them as best we can

because that's what we want to do.

That's why we're doing this.

All that we want to do with this channel

is help remove those hurdles

that I'm sure for some of you are real, real tall.

And I'm, for others of you, might just be like medium size.

And for some, there might be no hurdles at all.

Either way, there's no judgment here.

We don't care how many hurdles you have.

We just want to help you get over them,

whether they're tall or they're small.

So just tell us what hurdles you have

to making this like life of traveler,

I don't know, the Camino that you want to walk

or this couple of months sabbatical

or whatever thing that you've wanted to do.

Tell us about the hurdles.

We'll do our best to help you get over them.

I have no idea how to wrap this thing up.

I will say though that the sun is out,

so that's always a good sign.

That is a nice change.

We started it and it was raining really, really hard

and now the sun is out.

I just want to say that I really, really appreciate

how thoughtful and actually deep

these questions were today.

And how, I just love that our community that we have here

is asking these like real questions.

You know, and these are the exact type of thing

that we love talking about and we could talk about it forever.

I hope that any of this is useful or helpful.

But please, please, please continue

to ask these types of questions.

I think this like, this bigger idea of really

how do you make this life change happen?

How do you free up space, time and enough cash

to be able to like make a real actual like dent?

And what's the impact of it?

You know, what are the actual,

I mean, we all know that there are

a ton of travel creators on the internet,

a lot of great travel creators.

And it can be easy just to show the lifestyle,

the beauty of it, the highlight reel,

the incredible countries that we get to visit.

But we love to talk about the nitty gritty,

the things that you don't always get to see

in a three days in Tokyo series.

Yes.

So yeah, we love your questions logistical,

not logistical, deep or not like keep them coming.

We really appreciate it.

And we'll answer them next week on travel Thursday.

Yep.

We appreciate you guys.

Thank you so, so much for watching this one.

And yeah, we will see you next week.

The sun is out.

We'll show you.

It stopped raining.

It's been a rainy season here in New Zealand,

but look at the beautiful,

the beautiful redwoods that we are surrounded by.

See you later.

See you next week.

Oh boy.